From agate.berkeley.edu!agate!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Tue Aug 29 11:07:24 2000 Path: agate.berkeley.edu!agate!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: " Stan" Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student Subject: Re: IFR training questions Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:17:55 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <8o96n9$nip$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <39a82cbf.30069602@news.mybizz.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: agate.berkeley.edu rec.aviation.student:170054 "Jim Fisher" wrote in message news:sql1p01mt9175@corp.supernews.com... > "Dennis Collin" wrote in message > When I fly as > > a safety pilot, I don't log PIC, ever. > > I've only had the opportunity to act as safety on a few occasions and > haven't logged any of it. About the only time I would feel legitimate > logging such time would be if I were safety for a CFI. > > Not to say that I'm against logging it, but I didn't really don't learn a > whole lot from keeping an eye out for other aircraft. . . . That plus I > have no interest in accumulating hours just for the sake of accumulating > hours. > > Just doesn't make sense to log it unless acting as safety was a very > valuable learning experience. > > IMHO. > The rules don't have anything to do with learning, they are just the rules. When the FAA rules say you have to have so many PIC hours for a certificate, they don't ask or care how you got them other than it was done within the rules.. When the insurance company rules say you have to have so many hours total and/or in make/model to get coverage, they don't care how you got them as long as it was done within the rules. Your personal feelings about whether it makes sense don't count for those purposes, for which someone else made the rules, so why make it harder on yourself? There's nothing unethical or immoral about it. Get as much as you can out of any time you are in the airplane, but log it regardless of what you got out of it, unless you are in a position where you won't ever need to show the time. Personally, I am accumulating time for the commercial certificate, but won't have any time getting there by the time I finish training. But I am also having to meet insurance company rules to qualify for coverage on the plane I am about to partner in (as soon as I qualify for insurance!), and I will log every minute I can within the rules to get there. They don't ask how much I learned. It impacts me negatively to not do that and I gain no benefit from not doing it. If, a year from now, you decide you want to get out of your partnership in your 180 and buy, for example, a Bonanza, you might have trouble with insurance unless you can show 400 hours or some such. Not 400 hrs of learning, just 400 hrs. Regards, Stan